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Apr 29

Addressing Marinov’s Element 122 Claim

by mitch | Categories: nuclear chemistry | (27140 Views)

Note 1: It is an unfortunate consequence of the internet age to be forced to address public misconceptions of research that is published by press-release rather than peer-review. Society & science are not served well from the absence of even cursory peer-review. It should be noted that some of the authors in the paper have a colorful past, but the critique below will be on evidence provided within the manuscript the authors have submitted.

In Marinov’s element 122 paper, Evidence for a long-lived superheavy nucleus.., a fantastical claim is made for the identification of element 122 with standard thorium samples. It should be strenuously noted that element identification (id est determination of the number of protons, atomic number (Z)) can not be definitively determined by mass spectrometry when the exact mass of the element is not known. Yes, there are many models that can extrapolate what the mass of an unknown isotope should be, but overly broad best guessing is not the way science in conducted.

The paper infers a mass accuracy for their mass spectrometer of 0.040 amu and this error will be used to determine the validity of their data. The first figure showing evidence of element 122 is shown below.


The figure shows their data from summing the thorium sample 5 times from their 1st run.

As the figure is lacking a significantly intense peak near 292.010 amu corresponding to 238U40Ar14N+ that is seen in later runs, I would be forced to chalk those signals to inherent noise in the instrument, especially as no blank spectrum was provided as reference for this data series.

The figure shows their data from summing the thorium sample 60 times from their 2nd run. Top spectra is sample, bottom spectra is of the blank.

The peaks from 238U40Ar14N+, mentioned earlier, can be clearly seen in this spectrum. The authors fail to scale the blank’s intensity (y-axis) to the same level as the sample which makes comparisons unnecessarily difficult. The blank’s intensity axis is larger than that of the samples, which is very unusual as one tends to have to zoom into a blank rather than zoom out to make a scientific point. I am also confused as to what the peaks labeled x1/5 mean (was data altered to scale these peaks down?), I do not know. As the x1/5 peaks in the blank are not seen in their thorium sample, one has to wonder why this is so. Has the detection limit already been reached?


The figure shows their data from summing the thorium sample 200 times from their 3rd run. Top spectra is sample, bottom spectra is of the blank.

This data set has the largest statistics as it is a sum of 200 spectra. The blank in this figure has obvious peaks near 292.230 and 292.280 amu. The blank peak at 292.230 is also seen in the sample spectrum, and is now a dominant peak in that spectrum. Any good data set should be at least 3 times the peak height of blank noise, when the signals are so close together, but this is not the case in this figure. Even if referencing the 2nd blank peak at 292.280, the signals attributed to element 122 are at best 2-2.5 times blank background peaks.

The claim that there was no molecular ion formation from hydrocarbon presence from their vacuum pump is also not realistic. From the sensitivities claimed in the paper the presence of pump oil should of been detected.

The authors give several theoretical hypotheses why element 122 should be stable, but these claims will not be evaluated as I see no convincing evidence of the identification of element 122.

Note 2: Link to paper: Evidence for a long-lived superheavy nucleus with atomic mass number A=292 and atomic number Z=~122 in natural Th
Note 3: First coverage of claim was from The Physics ArXiv Blog: First superheavy element found in nature

Mitch

Note 4: Mitch is a nuclear chemistry PhD student at UC Berkeley studying the chemistry and physics of elements above Lawrencium (Z>103) in the Heavy Element and Actinide Chemistry group.

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  1. Hava Negila

    Considering the undeniable fact that ethnic jews have so far received about 2/3 to 3/4 of all science Nobel prizes ever issued, I would say this find of element 122 is real and he will also get the gold medal for his exceptional find.

    Ashkenazi jews have been proven by several surveys to be the single most intelligent group among humans, on average 3-5 points of IQ ahead of white british anglo-saxons and germans, etc.

    Science and technology is highly advanced in the jewish state, thus I don’t see much reason to doubt their claims (especially when you are judging a mere press release, which is by necessity an incomplete and shortened version).

    1. mitch

      Regardless of intelligence, the data the authors supplied still does not validate the conclusions drawn.

      1. sam

        good, level-headed, response.

    2. Phil

      I think it is really not necessary to draw the discussion in this direction, as Mitch has been completely objective in his critique.

  2. Daniel Drucker

    That is a great argument. I’m going to have to remember that one. Next time a reviewer has the temerity to reject one of my articles, I can just counter “but it must be right; I’m Jewish!”

  3. Some Guy

    I’m impressed how that initial post didn’t snowball.

  4. sam

    I hope the authors of this ArXiv paper take your comments into consideration before they submit for peer review! Maybe they can present their data in better ways to make it more convincing.

    Or, it’s all BS. :)

    1. Judy Hutchins

      Yeah, you know how strict us chemists are =)

      Not enough facts, therefore not enough proof, then no credit and acceptance =)

  5. bob

    First of all, thanks for taking the time to do this. It’s a great post. On to nitpicking:

    I didn’t actually see a press release (although I only looked briefly) and you can hardly say that publishing a paper on the arxiv is publishing by press release or that “society & science are not served well from the absence of even cursory peer-review” for those arxiv papers. Overall peer-review is important, but publishing preprints before peer review on the arxiv helps advance science and (I would argue) therefore society.

    Besides, the power of the internet in addressing these claims is what I find more exciting. (recall that cold fusion was pre-internet).

    1. mitch

      Since there is clear confusion whether the paper was peer-reviewed from reading websites and news sources, I am solidly in the corner that the preprint service is silly.

      You were right there was no stereotypical press release, but I was using the term loosely. Although, since the blog of the publisher covered the paper, I would argue that it was very similar in nature.

      1. bob

        I think you’ve misunderstood the status of the arxiv and of the “Physics Arxiv Blog.” Arxiv.org is a preprint service currently run by Cornell University library that allows researchers to rapidly share their work. As far as I know it is not used by chemists (or certainly not widely), but in some fields of physics (most notably high energy physics) it is the most important means of communicating research to ones peers. The fact that some websites and news sources don’t understand that most preprints submitted have not yet been peer reviewed (although many do go on to be published in peer reviewed journals later) does not make it “silly”.

        The “Physics Arxiv Blog” is not officially associated with the arxiv, although judging from the posts, I do think it is run by a physicist.

        Just to be clear, while I maintain that the arxiv is an extremely useful method of scholarly communication, I agree that there is a risk of papers on the arxiv being promoted in the press before they have been peer reviewed. There is a nice discussion of these issues from the founder of the arxiv here:

        http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~ginsparg/blurb/pg02pr.html

        A recent example showing way too much press coverage for an arxiv preprint is Garrett Lisi’s paper on E8 getting very wide converage despite being dismissed by most working high energy physicists. Here’s a discussion at Cosmic Variance:

        http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/11/16/garrett-lisis-theory-of-everything/

        1. mitch

          Most chemical publishers wouldn’t publish a paper that is already in the public domain, so this may be a mute point for chemists.

          I’m glad ArXiv has been shown to be successful previously, but the fact this paper has attracted as much attention as it has, I feel, makes my point about non peer-review services.

  6. Don

    Nice Job, Mitch. Good summaries of what their figures show…and what they don’t.

    I was rather intrigued by news of the paper…until I saw the author list. I think that the jury needs to still look at and evaluate the data closely and fairly (that’s what peer review is about), but must also keep in mind the history of Marinov and Kolb claiming heavy element discoveries in nature that have not been verified or reproduced. (I’m thinking in particular of the claims to have seen element 112 and fission activity from Hg sources in the early 70′s.)

    This would be exciting if true, but such a low N/Z ratio combined with sparse data leaves me doubtful.

  7. Dania

    Prof. Marinov’s paper has been recently published in the International Journal of Modern Physics E
    Vol. 19, No. 1 (2010) 131–140

    I refer you to Marinov’s site at:
    http://www.phys.huji.ac.il/~marinov/

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