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	<title>Comments on: Halogen Bonding</title>
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		<title>By: Judy Hutchins</title>
		<link>http://www.chemistry-blog.com/2008/08/23/halogen-bonding/comment-page-1/#comment-4280</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Hutchins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry &quot;no&quot; should say &quot;known&quot;. It&#039;s 6:13am here and I haven&#039;t slept since 27 hours ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8220;no&#8221; should say &#8220;known&#8221;. It&#8217;s 6:13am here and I haven&#8217;t slept since 27 hours ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Hutchins</title>
		<link>http://www.chemistry-blog.com/2008/08/23/halogen-bonding/comment-page-1/#comment-4279</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Hutchins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we might need to tell the new york city public school system this because in pre-college and even college chemistry classes, it&#039;s no as Halogen bonds or H-bonds. So every year we get a lot of new students who will still be thinking that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we might need to tell the new york city public school system this because in pre-college and even college chemistry classes, it&#8217;s no as Halogen bonds or H-bonds. So every year we get a lot of new students who will still be thinking that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://www.chemistry-blog.com/2008/08/23/halogen-bonding/comment-page-1/#comment-2097</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was just an open question. Obviously, there is no 100% satisfactory answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was just an open question. Obviously, there is no 100% satisfactory answer.</p>
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		<title>By: excimer</title>
		<link>http://www.chemistry-blog.com/2008/08/23/halogen-bonding/comment-page-1/#comment-2095</link>
		<dc:creator>excimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a misnomer now, but it didn&#039;t seem to be when the term was coined a hundred years ago. Now it&#039;s so deeply ingrained into the lexicon that it&#039;ll be difficult to root out. A halogen &quot;bond&quot; is only called such because it&#039;s analogous to the H-bond. Other interactions understood much later, like pi-stacking and cation-pi interactions, aren&#039;t called bonds because of their dissimilarity to covalent bonds. Sorry mitch, history is getting in the way of your quest for accurate terminology.

So is a dative bond a bond, too? Is the only real bond a covalent bond? I&#039;m not an emeritus professor yet, so the semantics don&#039;t really seem relevant to progress in the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a misnomer now, but it didn&#8217;t seem to be when the term was coined a hundred years ago. Now it&#8217;s so deeply ingrained into the lexicon that it&#8217;ll be difficult to root out. A halogen &#8220;bond&#8221; is only called such because it&#8217;s analogous to the H-bond. Other interactions understood much later, like pi-stacking and cation-pi interactions, aren&#8217;t called bonds because of their dissimilarity to covalent bonds. Sorry mitch, history is getting in the way of your quest for accurate terminology.</p>
<p>So is a dative bond a bond, too? Is the only real bond a covalent bond? I&#8217;m not an emeritus professor yet, so the semantics don&#8217;t really seem relevant to progress in the field.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for your clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for your clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierangelo Metrangolo</title>
		<link>http://www.chemistry-blog.com/2008/08/23/halogen-bonding/comment-page-1/#comment-2082</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierangelo Metrangolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll try to give a short answer to some of the issues raised. Yes, it&#039;s true, the definition of  chemical bond, having a combination of orientation (alignment) and distance, applies also to halogen bonding since this causes interpenetration of VdW volumes of the interacting atoms by around 20% and occurs on the extension of the C-X bond where the sigma-hole is located (angle 160-180°).
Halogen bonds are comparable with hydrogen bonds, and span the energy range 1kcal-40kcal/mol (ionic X-bond). Halogen atoms bound to metal centers are not electrophilic (and then do not give XB) but behave as H- and X-bond acceptors (i.e. Lewis bases).
All these arguments can be found in the papers suggested in my web-site: http://nfmlab.chem.polimi.it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try to give a short answer to some of the issues raised. Yes, it&#8217;s true, the definition of  chemical bond, having a combination of orientation (alignment) and distance, applies also to halogen bonding since this causes interpenetration of VdW volumes of the interacting atoms by around 20% and occurs on the extension of the C-X bond where the sigma-hole is located (angle 160-180°).<br />
Halogen bonds are comparable with hydrogen bonds, and span the energy range 1kcal-40kcal/mol (ionic X-bond). Halogen atoms bound to metal centers are not electrophilic (and then do not give XB) but behave as H- and X-bond acceptors (i.e. Lewis bases).<br />
All these arguments can be found in the papers suggested in my web-site: <a href="http://nfmlab.chem.polimi.it" rel="nofollow">http://nfmlab.chem.polimi.it</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t apply the term &quot;sigma-hole&quot; to a metal because a copper ion is a lewis-acid and thus a non-directional electron acceptor. The sigma-hole of halogens has a very strong directionality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t apply the term &#8220;sigma-hole&#8221; to a metal because a copper ion is a lewis-acid and thus a non-directional electron acceptor. The sigma-hole of halogens has a very strong directionality.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only give you data from calculations. Lommerse et al. (JACS 1996, 118, 3108) have done ab initio calculations with chloro-cyanoacetylene and found a bonding energy of about 10 kJ/mol (2.4 kcal/mol). However, this is not a &quot;typical&quot; system.

Typical hydrogen bonds (gas phase) are in the range of 3-7 kcal/mol. Ionic H-bonds are much stronger. Still, in an aqueous (i.e. biological) system, halogen bonding can win a competition with hydrogen bonding because water can form H-bonds, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only give you data from calculations. Lommerse et al. (JACS 1996, 118, 3108) have done ab initio calculations with chloro-cyanoacetylene and found a bonding energy of about 10 kJ/mol (2.4 kcal/mol). However, this is not a &#8220;typical&#8221; system.</p>
<p>Typical hydrogen bonds (gas phase) are in the range of 3-7 kcal/mol. Ionic H-bonds are much stronger. Still, in an aqueous (i.e. biological) system, halogen bonding can win a competition with hydrogen bonding because water can form H-bonds, too.</p>
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		<title>By: mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But how shallow a potential minimum are you willing to accept?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how shallow a potential minimum are you willing to accept?</p>
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		<title>By: Egon Willighagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Egon Willighagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 06:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, what is the typical bonding energy range for these kind of interactions? How much smaller than hydrogen bonds?

Mitch, to me a bond is a atom-atom interaction where the interaction has an energetic minimum resulting from repulsive forces at shorter distances, and attractive forces at larger distances (likewise, angles).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, what is the typical bonding energy range for these kind of interactions? How much smaller than hydrogen bonds?</p>
<p>Mitch, to me a bond is a atom-atom interaction where the interaction has an energetic minimum resulting from repulsive forces at shorter distances, and attractive forces at larger distances (likewise, angles).</p>
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