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Existential crisis of a post-doc appointment (updated)

by noel on Jun 15 2009 (3168 Views)

This month has been exceptionally busy around my group. My PI is currently on a 2-week trip to Norway and Germany[1] and before that, we were trying to get a ton of hiring business out of the way. My experience in the past couple weeks actually had quite an eye-opening effect on me.

A little back-story on my current work situation, I have been working at this lab full time (40h/wk) since last May. We are an engineering support facility with a few side chemistry and material projects. Because of the corporate nature of the facility, my work has been both well compensated and intellectually fulfilling.

The nature with this facility means that we hardly ever get grad students. 15% of the employees here are temporary (i.e. post-doc and interns). Ten percents are summer interns with employment of about ten weeks. The direct consequence of a lab that is not attached to a university has the need to constantly replenish its labor supply. While this means we gets fresh takes on things from all the new people, I also see the struggle of Ph.D.s in job market played out frequently. And as someone who is just dipping her toes in the idea of graduate school, this is quite daunting.

Anyway, I guess we have room for yet another post-doc.

Last Monday, I was sitting in the back of the conference room during a technical seminar on the grad school research of a post-doc candidate while sipping on my morning tea. The candidate was visibly nervous, frequently stuttering and wiping the beads of sweat at his forehead. In the next three days, the same thing took place. The seminar, the lab tour, the lunch, the non-stop interviews; as I did my best to be hospitable, my mind wanders, and I couldn’t help but keep coming back to the same thoughts:

  • I wonder if he knew that his voice was cracking and shaking
  • Does he need more water? It looks like he’s out of water
  • Everything sounds more interesting in a southern accent, even pchem
  • Isn’t it sad that you can summarize the past 4 to 6 years of your life in a 45-minute PowerPoint presentation?
  • It’s her third post-doc? Really?
  • I guess it doesn’t matter how well qualified you are, the guy that went to the most well ranked school will probably get the job
  • I wonder if they understand that they are constantly judged, when we walk them between buildings, when we take them out to lunch, by anyone and everyone
  • All for two more years of being replaceable, is it worth it?

Is it?

Noel

[1] It’s been a known fact that my PI forgot/failed/was too lazy to renew his training so he lose his access to our lab room. We were all happy that he had to knock and wave to get someone’s attention to be let in. Recently, he realize that we often leave the back door open to get solvents from the dock. Now he ambush us from the back door. Anyway my point of the story is that we always feel the need to fidget (more likely on unproductive tasks) when he’s around. I guess I can finally relax/be productive now. Like writing this blog post.

(edit)

After re-reading it, I realized I failed to address my point here. My point: what is really the goal of a post-doc? As I have been told in the past 5 years, it is the rite of passage to the world of academia. But what does one hope to accomplish in a two-year appointment at a topic that is possibly unrelated to his expertise and past experience? It seems like the new guy is just picking up whatever the last guy has done in his two years.

It seems like an interesting role, to be contributing somewhat at a higher realm of science than the regulate graduate student, but for about half to a quarter amount of time. I ask again, what is the goal here? Is it to diversify one’s research interest? Is it to network in the community? Is it to push more papers out? Is it the parallel universe to dispense unemployed Ph.D.s? Or is it simply the awkward phase where the community thinks one should be while little professional and intellectual developments take place?

That is all.


Posted on : Jun 15 2009
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6 People have left comments on this post

Jun 15, 2009 - 01:06:06
mitch said:

Unfortunately I think you nailed what a postdoc seems to be, at least to me at this stage: to diversify one’s research interest, to network in the community, to push more papers out, a parallel universe to dispense unemployed Ph.D.s, and an awkward phase where the community thinks one should be.

Jun 15, 2009 - 08:06:02
z said:

In addition to some of the postdoc roles mentioned, I think another important one for a lot of people is to take on more of a leadership role. In your Ph.D. you probably mentored younger students, but you were also completely absorbed in your thesis work. As a postdoc, you can try to reach out more. The time span generally encourages this–you only have a year or two, so you may have to work more collaboratively with others to get things done. Obviously, this role is highly dependent upon the expectations of the group you are in. In groups that encourage this, I think it should be pursued as an important step toward being an independent principle scientist who will be directing the research efforts of others.

Jun 16, 2009 - 01:06:49
kjhaxton said:

I think broadening one’s research experience is pretty important. Not just in the sense of doing some different science, but being in a different lab with a different way of working, a different style of PI etc. You need time after completing your thesis to just be a scientist, to workout what life after being a full time student is actually like. A PhD is not sufficient to become an independent principle scientist, a postdoc provides some but not nearly enough of the training necessary to bridge the gap.

That being said, multiple short term contracts as a postdoc is cruel. A little respect and job security can go along way.

Jun 16, 2009 - 01:06:45
William Penrose said:

I agree with all the above comments. But also, post-docs are important for maintaining a continuous employment record. More importantly, they are your last opportunity to become disillusioned with academia.

Post-docs unlucky enough to win that coveted tenure-track position are doomed to a shorter (tenure failed) or longer career of chasing dwindling grant money, trying to locate grad students who aren’t sleeping or taking extended vacations to India or China, watching your back in Departmental politics, attending pointless meetings, clearing administrative snafus, and going home at the end of the day wondering what the hell you’ve accomplished with that day, or with your life.

DB (retired from a long career in government, industry, and academia)

Jun 23, 2009 - 05:06:05

The academic world has routinely relied on post-doc labor for the major advances in science. post-docs typically cost the same, if not less, than a grad student and do not (in theory) need much pragmatic training. The traditional view is that the post-doc experience is simply a good opportunity for a new PhD to stand on their own and do their own research, with a mentor there to help if they need it. The reality though is that the postdoc is often a holding pattern till that coveted academic position shows itself. But, with an aging and non-retiring population of professors, there are fewer and fewer prof jobs, hence the growing occurrence of the multiple post-doc.

I did a three year post-doc, with independent funding for all three years. So, I cost my PI $0. Because of this, I had a good time doing the work i proposed and wanted to do. But 99% of the postdocs I knew were miserable SOBs. they were disrespected, look down upon and over worked. All for that professorship.

Glad I sold out to the industrial man.

Jul 6, 2009 - 10:07:14
Fleaker said:

I’m going to have to save this post (and mail it to quite a few people). Particularly cogent is Penrose’s comment.

As far as aging faculty holding onto their positions and post docs costing as much as a graduate student, I’ll disagree since it’s not the case in my department which has four faculty positions open and three recent hires. Graduate students are paid based on whatever the faculty member has to spend, but the minimum is something like 23K/year, with benefits and all the assorted overhead. Post docs are paid almost twice as much.

I think a lot depends on where you do a post doc.




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